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Zeitpunkt des Boardings- Hinweise auf 2. Maschine 27 Sep 2010 11:18 #1018

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The passengers of Flight 11 embarked on the wrong plane: CONFIRMED

von Woody Box



When did the passengers of Flight 11 embark on the plane? After nine years, this seemingly easy question is still lacking an answer. The 9/11 Commission Report doesn't deliver one, instead it confronts us with surprising boarding data:

See TSA report, "Selectee Status of September 11th Hijackers," undated. For boarding and seating information, see AAL record, SABRE information on Flight 11, Sept. 11, 2001. These boarding times from the American system are approximate only; for flight 11 they indicated that some passengers boarded after the aircraft had pushed back from the gate. See AAL response to the Commission's February 3, 2004, requests, Mar. 15, 2004. (9/11 Commisson Report, note #9 of Chapter 1)

It is, of course, impossible that any passenger boarded Flight 11 after it had moved off the gate. The concise explanation of the Commission: the boarding times are "approximate only". This sounds like as if the actual boarding times were spaciously rounded up by American Airlines' SABRE system which records and processes the boarding data.

Example: Given that Flight 11 pushed back at 7:40*** (see appendix). Now the Commission claims: if a passenger passed the gate at 7:37 (before the push-back), the system logged his boarding time as 7:50 (or 8:00 or whatever time after the push-back). This sizeable time gap smells funny and shows that the Commission's explanation for the oddity is concise, but far from conclusive. And indeed it doesn't withstand a closer scrutiny.

The cited note indicates that the Commission sent a request to American Airlines on February 3, 2004, which was answered at March 15, 2004. In 2009, this response was released to the public.

American previously has provided the Commission with documents that indicate the approximate times that passengers boarded AA Flights 11 and 77 and the approximate check-in times at the main ticket counters at the respective airports. These documents are Kean Commission Bates numbers 004658-004675 (Flight 77) and 004483-004518 (Flight 11) and are from American's Electronic Gate Reader ("EGR") records. The EGR records do not provide the exact time of individual passenger check-in, the check-in location (ticket counter vs. departure gate), or the identification of the check-in agent.

The EGR system for a particular flight is manually initiated by the gate agent usually several hours prior to boarding. The initation of the EGR system is done at the discretion of the gate agent. At initiation, the system downloads information for the flight, such as the names of all passengers holding reservations, check in status, seat assignment (if pre-reserved), booking class, and destination city.

Following system initation, the EGR system "polls" the Sabre passenger reservation system for any updates to this data. Prior to the start of boarding, the updates occur at approximately 15-minute intervals and provide a "snapshot" of any changes in information since the last update. For this reason, the ticket counter check-in times from the EGR system reflect only "approximate" times. During actual boarding of the flights, the "polling" process occurs more frequently, at approximately 15-second intervals. The EGR records the time that a passenger's boarding pass goes through the EGR and, provides an accurate record of when the passenger boards the aircraft.

www.911myths.com/index.php/Image:Team7_B...AL-QFR-Responses.pdf

So the boarding times are recorded fairly accurate, with an uncertainty of +-15 seconds. In our example: if a passenger passed the gate at 7:37:48, the system might round up the time to 7:37:50 or 7:38:00, but certainly not a time after 7:40 (the push-back). While the system checks the passenger's reservation status every 15 minutes only, it doesn't create minute-long gaps between actual and recorded boarding time.

The 9/11 Commissioners ignore this difference. Why does their report insinuate that the inaccurate boarding times are inherent in the SABRE system if American Airlines declares in plain language that the system "provides an accurate record of when the passenger boards the aircraft"? Either the gentlemen did not read AA's answer (?), or didn't understand it (???), or they decided to cease further inquiries and try to get away with a half-baked explanation ("approximate only"). An internal working draft from May 2004 shows that likely the latter is the case:

At 7:31 a.m. Wail Al-Shehri and Waleed Al-Shehri boarded American Flight #11. At 7:39 a.m. Atta and al Omari embarked on the aircraft and al Suqami boarded at 7:40 a.m. (PLACEHOLDER: THESE TIMES, WHICH ARE PULLED FROM AA'S SABRE RESPONSE SYSTEM, NEED FURTHER VERIFICATION BECAUSE THAT REPORT HAS SOME OTHER PASSENGERS "BOARDING" AFTER THE FLIGHT HAD PUSHED BACK).

www.scribd.com/doc/15121435/FO-B4-Commis...-of-September-11-166

The doubtfullness and need for further inquiry expressed in this paper is not reflected in the Commission report at all which was released three months later. The (too) late boarding is confirmed by two passengers of Flight 11 (Albert Filipov and Richard Ross) as well as flight attendant Madeleine "Amy" Sweeney. They called their spouse from the airport to tell her/him that the flight was delayed. Furthermore, there are conflicting reports of the gate where Flight 11 started from. Apparently the passengers embarked on a plane at gate 26, not at gate 32 as claimed by the 9/11 Commission. More about this here:http://911wideopen.com/mirror/twin11-1/twin-11-mod.htm



911woodybox.blogspot.com/2010/09/passeng...-11-embarked-on.html
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Aw: Zeitpunkt des Boardings- Hinweise auf 2. Maschine 27 Sep 2010 15:34 #1020

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Die Frage zu den 2 unterschiedlichen Gates habe ich die Tage aus einer Laune heraus mal im Oberbetonkopfforum No. 1
gestellt... bei solchen Details kommen die Jungs immer so herrlich ins Schwimmen, insbesondere wenn man noch keine Sprachregelungen
bei JREF findet. ;)

---> www.politik-forum.eu/viewtopic.php?f=7&t...7&p=1014288#p1014288


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The basic rule of false flag and other disinfo operations is that, if you can keep your basic story in the forefront of the media for three clear days, it doesn't matter what is said after that: everyone will remember the original story as the truth. But this was before the days of the Internet.
Last Edit: 27 Sep 2010 15:36 by Red Dwarf.
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Aw: Zeitpunkt des Boardings- Hinweise auf 2. Maschine 27 Sep 2010 20:19 #1028

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Interessant ist auch, dass die zwei Stewardessen, die von AA11 aus anriefen, zunächst angaben, sich auf Flug 12 zu befinden. Zufall?

Betty Ong:

Asked what flight she is on, she mistakenly answers, “Flight 12,” though a minute later she corrects this, saying, “I’m number three on Flight 11.”

www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=...ettyong#a821bettyong

Amy (Madeline) Sweeney

Flight 11 attendant Amy (Madeline) Sweeney borrows a calling card from flight attendant Sara Low and uses an Airfone to try to call the American Airlines flight services office at Boston’s Logan Airport... The respondent to the call mistakenly thinks Sweeney’s flight number that she reports is 12. Hearing there is a problem with an American Airlines plane, Michael Woodward, an American Airlines flight service manager, goes to American’s gate area at the airport with a colleague, and realizes Flight 12 has not yet departed. He returns to the office to try to clarify the situation, then takes the phone and speaks to Sweeney himself. Because Woodward and Sweeney are friends, he does not have to verify the call is not a hoax...."

www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=...one#a820sweeneyphone
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Aw: Zeitpunkt des Boardings- Hinweise auf 2. Maschine 27 Sep 2010 20:29 #1030

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Zu AA11 gibts nun auch im Wiki einen Eintrag:

smoking-guns.info/index.php?title=American_Airlines_11

Die Infos von hier werde ich noch einbauen!
Ein ernüchternder Gedanke, daß man zur Strafverfolgung eines Ladendiebs bessere Beweise braucht als dazu, einen Weltkrieg anzufangen. Anthony Scrivener
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Aw: Zeitpunkt des Boardings- Hinweise auf 2. Maschine 27 Sep 2010 21:26 #1034

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stefanlebkon schrieb:

Flight 11 attendant Amy (Madeline) Sweeney borrows a calling card from flight attendant Sara Low and uses an Airfone to try to call the American Airlines flight services office at Boston’s Logan Airport... The respondent to the call mistakenly thinks Sweeney’s flight number that she reports is 12. Hearing there is a problem with an American Airlines plane, Michael Woodward, an American Airlines flight service manager, goes to American’s gate area at the airport with a colleague, and realizes Flight 12 has not yet departed. He returns to the office to try to clarify the situation, then takes the phone and speaks to Sweeney himself. Because Woodward and Sweeney are friends, he does not have to verify the call is not a hoax...."

www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=...one#a820sweeneyphone


Abgesehen davon, daß es berechtigte Zweifel gibt, daß AA auf Inlandsflügen Anno 2001 noch den Airfone-Service anbot,
habe ich nun beim Googlen die Bedienungsanleitung der Airfones gefunden... Copyright 2001, 4.Auflage 2007:
www.livetv.net/documents/magnaStar_userGuide04-2007.pdf


Wenn die Abrechnungsmethode 2001 identisch war, kann Sweeny keine "Calling Card", aka Telefonkarte benutzt haben,
um ein Airfone zu benutzen... das funktionierte ausserhalb des Cockpits demnach nur mit Kreditkarten!


Seite 78 des PDF:

VIII. Billing Procedures:
Air-Ground Communications
A. Master Account:
A Master Account must be established for each aircraft. The Master
Account guarantees all MagnaStar system charges made onboard the
aircraft and may be assigned to:
•American Express
•Visa
•MasterCard
•Monthly Invoice*

The MagnaStar C-2000 system on an aircraft may be configured in one
of two ways:

1. Master Account Direct Charge - Unless users choose to slide their
own cards all calls are automatically billed against the Master Account.
Calls billed against the account are eligible for volume pricing

2. Personal Credit Card Charge - All users must slide their own
credit or calling cards (then choose “1” for Voice Call, then enter “0”
+ Area Code + Number) and pay for their own calls at published commercial
rates. Each such call is eligible for the benefits/credits associated
with active Airfone promotional programs. With the exception of
calls made from a Cockpit Station, calls are never billed against the
Master Account unless special provisions are made in advance.



Indirekt wird damit auch Barbara Olsons Geschichte aus AA77 widerlegt, aber von
dieser gibt es sowieso diverse Varianten:
www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8514


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Aw: Zeitpunkt des Boardings- Hinweise auf 2. Maschine 27 Sep 2010 22:23 #1035

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Hier zum Vergleich der berüchtigte Spiegel-Artikel aus dem Jahre 2002, "Was wirklich geschah":

www.spiegel.de/spiegel/print/d-20899440.html

Die "Wirklichkeit" des Spiegels (der Reporter vor Ort schickte) ist 2002 allerdings eine andere
als die der 9/11 Commission zwei Jahre später. Im Artikel wird mehrmals "Gate 26" genannt:

Es ist 7.25 Uhr, als Atta und Umari Gate 26 erreichen.
Gate 26. Sie sitzen noch für einen Moment, drei, vier Minuten.
7.30 UHR
Am Gate 26 scharren die Fluggäste von American 11.


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